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1. When preparing to make an entrance, don't "jump the gun". If you bring your bow up too soon, you might cause other players to come in early.

2. Save your stand partner. If you detect he/she is about to make a wrong entrance, try to discreetly signal to them , "not yet". (
Follow up...Jeff Weisner saved my a__ the other night in the NSO's "Serious Fun" festival, all the way from the third stand [behind me]. We had some tricky page turns and put the wrong piece up. I almost came crashing in fortissimo rather than piano, which would have been seriously embarrassing! Thanks Jeff!)

3. The most important thing for a new player in an orchestra is to make an effort to match the bowing style of the rest of the section.

4. In an orchestra, don't use a very wide vibrato. It makes a bass section sound muddy and out of tune.

5. Confucius say: "He who turn page late will not ingratiate himself with stand partner."

6. Learn from others, but don't limit yourself to copying them.

7. Know when you've got the tune. Play out when you've got it, lay back when  you don't.

8. When auditioning, try to play only what is "on the page". (I have been serving on an audition committee recently (not for bass). I am reminded once again how important it is to accurately represent what is on the written page in tutti parts. The parts are designed to be played in an orchestra by eight players (for basses) and up to sixteen players (first violins).  This means one should not embellish or personalize the parts in any way.  All dynamic markings should be followed, and there should be no added glissandi, rhythmic alterations, or rubatos.  If every player in a section added their own glisses, or made arbitrary decisions about double dotting rhythms, the sound of the section would be muddled. Soloists can get away with anything, but orchestra players depend on and cherish a mutual discipline.

9. When accompanying a soloist in a concerto, play less whenever the soloist is playing. Try to maintain rhythmic clarity, however.

10.
The tuning harmonics are convenient, but on many basses they tend to be out of tune relative to the open strings. It's a good idea to compare them with an electronic tuner and learn what the tendencies are for your instrument. I prefer tuning the open strings.

11.
When accompanying, most crescendos should be delayed to avoid covering the soloist. Try not to initiate a crescendo ahead of the section, or the Principal.

12. Try not to choke the sound of the bass by pressing too hard with the bow. Such a tone will also not blend with your colleagues.

13.
It's natural to move in performance, as long as it's not tacky. Enjoy the music, but not to the point of annoying your stand partner. When sitting with the Principal, restrain it, or be in sync.

14.
Cut off with the bass section; ending a note properly is as important as starting it. There's nothing more annoying than a laggard.

15. Know when the conductor is likely to make eye contact and be ready. It shows you're paying attention and have good musical instincts.

16. Trust your colleagues with entrances. If you are frequently a measure or so early (more flagrant than being late!), open your ears and defer to your bass buddies.

17. Vibrate the short notes. Repeated eighth notes in a Mozart symphony often sound better with a little vibrato.

18. Don't forget to practice perfect intonation, in scales and pieces of music.

19. In the opening of Ravel's La Valse the basses are divided three ways. The top part plays a sustained trill from open E to A flat. It's tricky because the bow tends to fling off the string when the string rebounds from the fingerboard. Consider stopping the A flat by pinching it between the thumb and first finger. This way, the string is stable and the bow remains in contact with it.

20. Guard against rushing fast passages and dragging in slower ones. These "sins" often occur with a change in dynamics, too. For example, the opening of Mozart 35, 4th mvt., when the forte eighth notes kick in is usually rushed; in the opening of the 2nd mvt. of Beethoven 7, when the theme is repeated PP the tendency is to lag.

21. Write cues into a bass part to help land precise entrances. This is most helpful for pizzicatos, where there is no room for error.

22. The third finger of the left hand can be used with the standard left hand position (lower register). However, because it is weak, it generally is not well suited for notes of significant duration or that require an expressive vibrato; it's best for passing tones.


23. Play with the appropriate style. For instance, don't play Vanhal like Bottesini, or Mozart like Tchaikowsky.


24.
The best teachers show you how to teach yourself.


25. Have patience with fingerings. Sometimes, you have to live with them a while before you know if you like them.


26.
A good bass section plays pizzicatos together, even so-called delayed pizzicatos. It requires breathing and subdividing together - and enough patience.  Watching bows of other string players also helps.

27. Don't lead your stand partner, unless by special arrangement...

28. Use sticky rosin for spiccato playing - not too much and mostly in the lower half of the bow.

29.
Guard the time and tempo - be part of the solution, not the problem.

30. Sing your music to better understanding phrasing, note lengths, articulation, vibrato, etc.  Music dictates technique, not the other way around…

31.
To place certain delicate pizzicatos, it helps tremendously to look for physical cues. For instance, the  bow change of the soloist or first stand string players, or even the breathing of wind players.

32. Let not faulty stage presence detract from your performance.

33. Learn spiccato from day one - you'll need it every day of your orchestral career!

34. Try to be aware of how you breathe when you play. Heavy breathing  can be a distraction to the listener and might indicate undue tension. 

35. Consult the score of a piece of music to better understand the role of the bass part, learn helpful cues, and correct errors.

36. Aim for clarity and continuity of "colors" in your playing.


Emails
1.  I am a high school student and just got a new Chinese bass. What kind of strings should I use?

New instruments tend to sound harsh. For classical playing, choose strings which will make your bass sound more mellow. I recommend medium grade Pirastro Flexocor, Original Flexocor, Flat Chromesteel, or Permanent. Thomastik Bel Canto is also a good choice. I am not an experienced jazz player, but Thomastik Spirocore seems to be the favorite of many jazz bassists. They're bright and sustain pizzicato very well.

2.  I am a college student and have a question for you. In your opinion, what's most important to producing a big sound on the lower strings - the way you hold the bow, or rosin?

The most effective way to get more sound is to lower your bow and apply more weight. Drawing the bow faster is another option which produces a rounder and less focused sound.

Regarding the issue of rosin- many bass players who have dedicated themselves to being soloists use very little rosin. They feel that the sound is cleaner and, as they don't often play spiccato or powerful accents, they don't need the extra grip. This can be a problem when switching to orchestra playing, which often calls for more aggressiveness on the lower strings. I do think that orchestra playing indeed requires more rosin. More importantly, whichever mode you are in, one has to develop a sense of the appropriate amount of rosin required for every situation. This comes through trial and error. Ultimately, it should be "second nature" - meaning you always know exactly when you need more and when you need to refrain from applying it.

I don't know if you play French or German bow, but sometimes German bow players have trouble playing on the E string because their arm bumps into the upper bout. French bow players rarely have this problem. German bow players need to look at two things to improve playability of the E string. First, is the bridge too low? Back when basses were strung with gut strings, the strings were higher off the fingerboard. Steel strings require that the strings are closer to the fingerboard because they are less flexible than gut. To offset this, it might help to have the neck set out about one inch.

The other thing that can be looked at is the arch of the bridge. Perhaps the general arch could be cut so that the E string is higher and the G string is lower. This might involve some fingerboard planing. Even less involved is determining if the arch could be flatter, which would create a bit more clearance for the arm when bowing on the E string.

3.  I am a double bass performance major at a university. My professor recommended I email you to get your insight on the topic of my term paper and lecture recital. The topic is "The Advancement of the Double Bass by Composers and Bassists Dragonetti, Bottesini, and Koussevitzky." For timing purposes, I will only be performing Koussevitzky's Valse Miniature and Dragonetti's Concerto in A major to demonstrate the compositional and performance advancement of the instrument.  Do you have any opinions on how these three composers raised the expectations of double bassists today, advanced the performance capabilities of the instrument itself, and advanced the performance technique? Any insights would be greatly appreciated. 

Well, I certainly am not a scholar. No doubt, you will have to do some reading on these three musicians you mentioned...

My basic feeling is that Dragonetti probably had the greatest impact as a bassist as he was so highly respected for his abilities while in London for many years. He seemed to attract attention even playing the average bass line, and there followed plenty of controversy in the conservatories of Europe about whether his style of bowing should be adopted. I know less about Bottesini, but I regard his works and style of playing as having less substance and more experimental as far as the technique and instrument setup are concerned. He was more into the showiness (bel canto) and was willing to do whatever it took to pull that off. He probably contributed more to the music world as a conductor.

Regarding "setup"...it's important to know that, even to this day, bassists have made a lot of adjustments to the instrument when focusing on playing solo literature. No other stringed instrument uses a solo tuning, and string height and thickness are big issues. It does have a unique sound, however, with its own appeal.

Koussevitsky certainly was a a huge figure in the twentieth century - again, more as a conductor and champion of new music than as a bass player. He organized new music concerts in Paris and Russia (I think) and was later conductor of the Boston Symphony Orchestra. There, he commissioned such important works as Bartok's Concerto for Orchestra and was the founder of Tanglewood, a very important training center for young instrumentalists and conductors. (I spent two summers there, drinking in the Koussevitsky mystique and sitting at the foot of Leonard Bernstein, his most famous protégé.) Almost every conductor and composer of note from the second half of the previous century passed through there.

As a composer, Koussevitsky contributed little. But, it is quite clear that he was a superb musician with integrity down to his toes, also in terms of bass playing. I would venture that his greatest accomplishment as a bassist was being an inspiration to Gary Karr, though I'm not sure they actually ever met. Gary really grabbed the "baton" from him (and Koussevitsky's bass) and ran with it, becoming a very successful soloist and making a big name for himself. Gary really deserves the credit for inspiring practically all bass players from the 1960s onward (including myself), being a dedicated teacher, commissioning works, and making the bass more acceptable as a solo instrument.

It must be assumed that these virtuoso figures influenced the perception of what the bass is capable of. The works of Richard Strauss and Richard Wagner certainly reflect that the level of bass playing was greatly improved in the latter half of the nineteenth century. I'm sure Dragonetti and Bottesini were partly responsible for this.

4. 
I am an amateur bassist playing in an amateur orchestra.  We're going to be doing the Ginastera Harp Concerto in June.  At one point we're supposed to hit an Eb harmonic - the Eb at the top of the treble clef.  Any suggestions on where to find this?

I don't know the piece. One issue is how much time you have on either side of the entrance. My first suggestion is to play it as a false harmonic on the A string. This can be accomplished two ways. First, by pressing A flat with your thumb (just below the first harmonic) and lightly touching over E flat above it with your third or fourth finger. Or, pressing E flat with your thumb and lightly touching over A flat above it (same A flat as the other method). If you have lots of time you can tune your E string down a half step and play the note as the third natural harmonic in the series.


5.  I have two questions that will hopefully be useful to other people as well.

1) I have spent some time recently learning the Prelude to Bach's 1st Cello Suite (Sterling edition). I know the notes well and can play them in tune. However, the string crossings are murderous and my playing is filled with scratches and squeaks from maneuvering the bow. Any suggestions for making practicing this piece more manageable and working to clean it up?

2) I am a French bow player and have trouble loosening my bowing shoulder up -- the result is that my spiccato is uneven and I seem to almost be bowing with my upper body. I also suspect that this tension may contribute to the uncleanness in playing  pieces like Bach. Though I know what is happening, I have difficulty fixing it and am hoping for some advice.

First of all, thanks so much for writing. I really love to hear from people...

Regarding the Bach, I would have to first see what kind of setup your instrument has. Have you been to see a good professional player who has inspected the string height, bridge arch, etc? If there isn't enough arch then you'll be generating a lot of extra noise as you hit various strings unintentionally with your bow. It might help to get the bow down a little closer to the bridge. The Bach isn't easy on the bass-certainly a lot of jumping around. If you are finding you are just not accurate with string crossings then practicing it slower might help. But I have a hunch it has more to do with your instrument.

As for your bow arm...You really haven't given me an indication of your proficiency level, experience, or whether you have taken private lessons. Certainly, as discussed in the other paragraph, if there is a problem with the setup of your instrument then you might experience discomfort in your bow arm as you try to compensate for it. Beyond that, I can't possibly know what is wrong unless I see you in person.

If you haven't already, I suggest you take some lessons from a reputable teacher. If you need some names, tell me what area you are in (confidentially) and I might be able to suggest someone.

I can certainly address specific questions about the bow arm. For example, you don't want to be using your whole body for spiccato. Depending on the speed, you'd use mostly arm for a very slow spiccato and the faster it gets you'd use less arm and more elbow, wrist, and fingers.

If you want to "fill in some blanks" I might be able to steer you in the right direction…

6. Hi Mr. Oppelt,

I am a double bass performance major at a major music school. I just wanted to let you know that I stumbled across your cd today in a local bookstore. I bought it and am blown away. It is absolutely fantastic. I just wanted to tell you that.

Thanks so much for telling me this! You made my day...Robert Oppelt  (In case anyone is wondering - I did not make this up.)

7. From Charlie Barnett:

Hi, Mr. Barnett

Just a note to let you know that I heard your Serenade for Double Bass on WOSU FM this morning. I enjoy classical music of every genre, but my favorites tend to be 20th (and 21st) century works of a lyrical type. The Serenade was wonderful, and the way you made the harp and double bass work together was, well, fun. So…I ordered the CD. Couldn't help it! ;) Keep up the good work!

8.
I'm wondering whom you would recommend to work on basses in the Washington, D.C. area…

John Lemoine (D.C.), Michael Weller (Alexandria, VA), Tom Wolf (The Plains, VA). Two hours drive is Michael Shank in Pennsylvania. Lemoine and Weller are luthiers of string instruments, while Wolf has made world-class harpsichords, in addition to basses. Shank can do just about anything. He made a very nice bridge for my bass.

9. Mr. Oppelt,
I teach middle school strings. A few weeks ago, I was looking for clear photos of the different styles or "schools" of the German bow hold for myself and for private students- I was very pleased to see that you have offered exactly what I was looking for.  Thanks! 

For myself, I am in a state of transition.  My bow hold resembles photo #8, but I am trying to get the frog a little out of the palm of the hand to accomplish what you described so well in example #11.  One question though: does your ring finger rest on top of the ferrule?  And does that finger have any particular function with the way you use the bow?

I have read many great things about the recording you made and plan on purchasing a copy.  Thank you for providing such an excellent online resource...

A:
Well, I'm glad that new page about German bow grip served somebody! It's very hard to know how much attention this site is getting because I don't operate it like a blog. Not a lot of feedback….

I just did some further experimenting regarding the placement of the ring finger (and pinky) in my style of holding the bow. The side of my ring finger tip (toward pinky) lightly touches the side of the ferrule, or not at all. It doesn't apply any pressure whatsoever or serve any function that I can determine. When I made an effort to place it on top of the ferrule it altered what I do with my thumb and first finger enough that it wasn't comfortable. I took it a step further and applied a little pressure with it. I immediately felt some tension in my wrist and it confused the whole issue of how the force was to be delivered, i.e., through the thumb. It is possible if someone has a narrower hand than mine that the ring finger might rest a little more on top of the ferrule, but, the way I grip the bow that finger doesn't serve any purpose at all and is best forgot about.

Regarding the pinky…I have the pinky tip against the bottom of the ferrule. When I took it away and tried playing I definitely felt weaker. The pinky helps hold onto the bow (being opposite the thumb) and therefore, helps deliver power. The added grip also aids spiccato control. Again, with a smaller hand (or larger frog) the pinky tip might end up positioned on only part of the ferrule, or perhaps even on the mother of pearl.

Regarding getting the frog out of the palm…As it pertains to my grip, there are two notable things. First, the stick will compress against the side of the bone of the hand close to the joint of the first finger. That boniness creates a pretty solid resting place and effective fulcrum. A callous should develop there. Secondly, with the stick resting on that bone a small gap will also appear between the upper side of the stick and the side of the thumb. That is a sign of the correct manner of holding this particular method. I feel this grip is powerful and sufficiently free of tension.

Let me know if I can be of further assistance…

10. Hello Mr. Oppelt,
Wow, I just can't get over how great you sound on your recording. Just one question-do you play sitting or standing?

Great to hear from you, and thanks for the compliment...

I always sit, and have since I joined the NSO. When I was a student I stood all the time. I think sitting is easier on the feet for the many hours that we play, and less twist of the spine, depending on the size and shape of the bass one plays. I'm totally used to it now. Certainly, there are differences. Standing, one is constantly concerned with balancing the instrument and holding it more with the left hand. Sitting, the left hand is more free but the bow arm functions a little differently-needs to be held up a bit more horizontally. It might be a bit more work for that shoulder, in some respects, but hopefully, one learns to put the arm weight to use through gravity. When sitting, I try to find a comfortable degree of angle of recline, where the bow arm is not overburdened holding the bow off the string and the bow itself functions most effectively. I don't care for standing with a bent endpin, either.

11. Hello Mr. Oppelt!

I just have one question regarding holding the German bow. I play French bow primarily and am really interested in learning how to play German. Does the ring finger serve any purpose in holding the bow? Also, how did you get over, as a student, the tendency for the bow to bounce on the down bow.

Well, my first thought was that the ring finger does absolutely nothing in all of the bow grips I have documented. However, I went back to try the holds again and I did realize that, for me at least, I could find a use for the third finger with the first example on my German bow page. With that grip, the side of my third finger tip rests against the inside curve of the frog where I found it might be useful to help grip the frog or apply a little weight. I haven't actually tried it in performance, but I intend to.

Regarding the bouncing on the down bow you speak of - that never happened to me. (I have seen other "Frenchies" do that when they take a crack at German.) It takes some time to get the feel of it. There's probably a bit of tension there, which is understandable when getting accustomed to it.

If you are just beginning to experiment with the German bow, I would suggest creating some exercises which utilize a variety of basic bowings. I think it's good to start with a few long tones on each open string, close to the bridge. Then, perhaps some shorter strokes on the string at the frog, middle, and tip, playing scales. Follow that with some spicatto strokes of varying speeds, lengths, rhythms, and dynamic levels. Also, if you don't quite understand how the parts of the bow arm function effectively, you'll need a good teacher to show you exactly how the components work, together and separately, i.e., whole arm, elbow, wrist, and fingers. (That's the same with the French bow.) A lot of it is common sense, but, you can save time and effort by visiting an accomplished player whose opinion you trust.

Thanks for writing!

12. Mr. Oppelt,
 
Thank you for the "Get a Grip" page. It has provided a lot of fodder for experimentation. All of your pictures show the bow being held with the string under the hair at around the balance point of the bow. To what extent do you change the grip throughout the bow stroke beyond the bow merely moving in and out of the hand? Or more specifically:
 
Does the angle of the thumb increase as the bow moves towards the tip? I have been experimenting with keeping my wrist flexible, but straight, throughout the stroke. As a result the thumb turns more perpendicular to the bow at the end of the stroke? The alternative seems to me to be to bend the wrist or raise and bend the elbow.
 
Does the bow hold change for different strokes? For instance, some bassists let the pinky leave the bow entirely on legato strokes? Or on a thrown stroke the first and index finger may extend further towards the tip (closer to the wrap, rather than on the frog) rather like the hand position one might have at the end of shooting a basket or throwing a ball.
 

Some of these things I don't think about very much, so, it has been fun for me to ask myself such questions.  I should reiterate that I can only speak from my own experience and I don't suppose to have a "lock" on the best way to do things. 

I hesitate to try to "break it down" too much because a lot of the smaller movements kind of need to fall into place on their own, without thinking about manipulating them. However, it's probably worth becoming aware, at some point, of what every part of the bow arm does. When things are working to one's satisfaction, forget it all and let music-making guide technique…that's the goal, at least.

Each part of the hand has to be able to give a little - meaning that the wrist, fingers, and thumb should be flexible but firm enough to accomplish the desired stroke. I think a good way to approach the issue of what changes when playing at the tip is to do the following…Play a basic spiccato, near the frog and about mezzo-forte. Observe the movement in the hand.  If done properly, you should see the wrist bend and the fingers and thumb retract and extend a little with each stroke. That's pretty much all of the motion you will ever need from those parts of the bow hand. For instance, when approaching the tip on a legato down-bow, right before the change of direction to up-bow, one should expect the hand to act somewhat like it does on the spiccato down bow, i.e, a bit of wrist flexion with the fingers and thumb retracting slightly (probably not as much as on the spiccato stroke). Specifically regarding the thumb, I don't find that its angle in relation to the stick changes much- it's mostly bending at the second joint.  I have on occasion allowed that thumb angle to become more right (geometrically speaking) when playing very quietly with only a few hairs in contact with the string. The wrist also has to bend in more for that. Of course, the length of the thumb might affect how it behaves in general, but I haven't really encountered players who were encumbered by having a short thumb.

Other factors that can come into play at the tip are the length of your arm, the length of your bow, and the shape of your bass. These can all affect the degree that you have to extend your arm which relates directly to wrist and thumb angle at that point. It might require getting your body out over the bass a bit more. 

I don't find the need to replant my first and index fingers for any stroke. Also, I keep my elbow down, just as if I were reaching out to pick up a glass of water.

Regarding the pinky - I always keep it on the frog. After receiving your question I experimented briefly with holding it off.  I felt the tactile input that I'm accustomed to was significantly reduced. I also experienced a reduction of power (even playing legato) because I just wasn't hanging on to the bow as well. It doesn't work for me…

Thanks for writing!

13. Dear Mr. Oppelt,
 
First off, let me join the chorus of praise for your excellent CD. I bought several copies for my colleagues in my orchestra and we've collectively gone through phases of awe and envy. Remarkable work you've done.
 
I have a potential question for your web site that no doubt will make you wince. Do you have any warm-up recommendations for a busy person and intermediate player with about an hour a day to practice, who can't always do the recommended half-hour of scales, fourths, fifths, etc.? I get home around 7-8 most evenings and after family obligations and other matters only get around to practicing at about 10. I find that I am gassed after about an hour, most of which is spent practicing parts for upcoming concerts. Should I warm up longer and stop trying to find fingerings for the symphony I am playing? Is there a way of somehow condensing the warm-ups that serious bassists do or is this question the musical equivalent of asking if I need to floss?

I've heard your bass section and they sound wonderful!
 
No wincing whatsoever - only impressed with your dedication to the hard stuff…scales and flossing!

First, thanks for the kind words about the CD and regarding my colleagues. I've had a lot of fun with the CD and everything it has spawned (mainly, this little website). I know the website looks a bit low-tech but I'm not enough of a computer geek (nor do I have the time) to come up with something flashier.

Regarding the bass section - we have a great one.  Most of the players are young and very excited about playing. That's an ideal situation for me…

As to your question:

I guess you've got the same time management issues that a lot of busy people with families have. Hopefully, the music energizes you enough to make it all worthwhile.

I actually don't do a whole lot of scales - I mean, hours at a time. When I was a student at Tanglewood there was a period when I really needed to improve my intonation and I worked hard on them. It gave me a big boost and along with that, I just got pickier about my intonation overall.  Now, I mainly use scales as a brief warm up, sometimes just a few, or maybe I'll go through all of them if I have time. About once a week I'll allot more time for scales and arpeggios to reaffirm my dedication to perfect intonation (an elusive goal, mind you), but I don't like practicing them as an end in itself - too boring. I might also focus on a couple of shifts that have given me trouble over the years, or touch on a few difficult orchestral passages, like Ein Heldenleben, Mozart 35,39, and 40, and  solos like Ginastera's Variaciones Concertantes. So, in a week I might cycle through all of these things. When practicing a piece, I will often isolate the scale or chord structure of a passage and work on that a bit. But I would guard against overdoing the warm up with too much time on scales, as you will get tired.

Actually, playing legato scales repetitiously and with a full bow uses a lot of energy, more than most solo or orchestral pieces. If one is really just working on left hand finger placement, you'll spend less energy by using only a couple of inches of bow on each note (in the middle) and at a dynamic of about mezzo-piano.

On an issue related to scales, I recall being at auditions where I heard people frantically playing scales before their turn came up, whipping them off nice and loud, but I guarantee that it didn't have a thing to do with whether they were successful on stage. It reminds me of the basketball games I used to watch my son play. Before a game, both teams would warm up at the same time, which was quite entertaining because it gave us a chance to size up our opponent. Our team didn't have any really tall kids, didn't sink every three-pointer, and didn't dunk much; their team was leaping all over the place, had a few "trees", and put on a dunk-fest. But when the game started, it didn't take long to know that we would probably win the game because we had better teamwork and more determination. So, I guess the correlation is that sometimes too much emphasis is placed on scales and it doesn't have that much to do with whether you are a good bassist.

One can also improve intonation by playing passages slower and at a moderate dynamic level. It's less boring than scales and you're actually investing in a piece of music you might perform.

In your particular case, a half hour of scales every night after a tough day at the office doesn't sound like fun (I'd rather have a glass of wine!), or a good use of your time. You'll get along fine doing just a couple of scales. For a change, try warming up for no more than ten minutes on scales and arpeggios and move on to the more rewarding pieces of music. 

A final word about warming up…It's vitally important to do a few light exercises and stretches BEFORE you pick up the bass. That's as important as flossing!

14. I'm the assistant principal bassist in a semi-professional orchestra and I'll be doing some duets with one of our flautists in our outreach programs to schools and nursing homes. I was listening to your CD (excellent, by the way) and was wondering if you have published the Pas de Deux or if there is some way I can get the music from you - if you are letting it out to anyone. It's such a wonderful, short piece and would be a lot of fun to perform with my colleague.

I'm glad you like it! Yes, the piece is now available from Ludwin Music and you can order it from their website. Let me know if you have any further questions about performing it...Thanks for writing!

15.
Greetings!
I am a teenager in high school and am attending district band. I've been playing the electric bass for almost three years and just recently have been trying to convert to the upright bass. I thought it would be a facile switch but have now learned otherwise. I miscalculated, to say the least! Anyways, I saw your section about German grip and thought that it was fantastic but I really need that same thing for French grip. My question to you is do you have any resources, such as displays or examples, of the French grip? If so that would be amazingly helpful. If not, thank you for your time in reading this. If you have any additional words of wisdom or technique tips, I would be more than thankful to hear them.


I practiced with the French bow for four or five years so I am acquainted with it. However, you should take a couple of lessons with a professional in your area to be sure you're on the right track.

Owing to its design there are fewer options for the basic grip of the French bow than with the German bow. That's not a negative, just a fact, and one reason why there might not be a page out there like my German bow page. But for the basic grip, the fingers lap over the top of the stick with a comfortable spread between them, while the thumb is underneath functioning as the opposing brace and fulcrum. The right corner of the thumb is usually positioned on the stick just in front of the frog and less often, in the curve of the frog. Advanced players sometimes make variations to this as needed. For example, for a light baroque style they might "choke up" on the stick a little, or for heavy orchestral playing they might put the bow deeper into the hand or even "choke down" on the stick. The weight and balance of the bow are always relevant factors. There are players out there who feel a "proper" basic grip will serve every need. I think a beginner should stick with a good basic grip and not get too creative until a couple of years have passed, when also one will be playing more advanced repertoire.

In the first six months to a year the muscles of the thumb and wrist require time to gain strength, so, don't rush it as you could hurt yourself or develop some bad habits with your grip or arm.

Most available method books have photographs of the basic grip. You can certainly find plenty of examples of French bow players in action on the internet on youtube or at Jason Heath's weblog.

16. Hi Mr. Oppelt,

Howdy! I'm a high school student whose first instrument is flute (I have since started guitar and French horn). My best friend is a bass player. We were both curious as to whether a flute/bass duet even existed, and we stumbled upon your site in the process of looking for one. We were wondering if maybe you have a sample mp3 or recording we could listen to. We are both planning on attempting to make music together one day, however, we planned on doing it on guitar and/or French horn, as we both play them. But to have a recording of flute/bass playing together would be a great inspiration to us.

As of yet, the Pas de Deux is not available for download. Part of the reason the music on the CD is not available for download is because it  is also an ALS (Lou Gehrig's Disease) awareness and fundraising project. I have dedicated two pages of the record jacket to information about ALS and commemorate two individuals (including my father) who succumbed to the disease. Those two pages would be bypassed with a download. I also send a check to ALS every year from a portion the proceeds. In addition to that, I have participated in the annual Walk to D'Feet ALS in Washington for the past few years.

One of my most memorable experiences was talking to the wife of an ALS patient who said that she and her husband loved listening to the CD and thought it was a wonderful project. Her husband has been essentially a paraplegic for more than ten years (beating the odds!) and is being kept alive by machines. He communicates though a computerized eyeball motion detection system. Such things are very hard to comprehend for most of us…

At any rate, it sounds like you are having fun with music, especially, because you are learning to play so many instruments!

 Thanks for writing!

17.
Dear Robert,

Can you tell me about your beautiful bass? How long have you had it, what characteristics do you find with playing it and its overall sound? What do you like best about it? How old is it? Does it require a lot of care and feeding? Do you recommend Testores in particular? Italian -  versus English? How does it compare to other basses you have owned? What is their price range these days? Enough with the questions!
Thanks for your time...

Thanks for the kind words about my bass…

I bought the bass in 1995 from the Principal Bassist of the Pittsburg Symphony Orchestra. Before that it belonged to a PSO section member. I was told that it was imported from Italy in the 1950s by a former Principal of the New York Philharmonic. When I bought it, the name Testore was associated with it, and it has a label (sometimes fake) indicating such, with a date of 1742.

Sitting in the Principal chair it's important to have a bass that's plenty loud, that you can hear under your ear, and that you think the conductor can hear. Also, it should deliver very full and round pizzicatos. I've been able to play all of the orchestral solos on it with good success. Well, actually, L'Enfant et les Sortilège gave me trouble because I could barely reach the highest harmonics due to the bass's big shoulders and fairly long string length. I could only reach it with my coat off, which I could get away with in those performances because we were in the dark, with a semi-staged production.

Authenticating instruments is a tricky business, and some violin appraisers have been unscrupulous, even receiving criminal convictions. I wasn't exactly sure what I was getting when I bought the bass, but I liked its sound and the price was right. Most appraisers say my bass is Italian and one implied it might be very early English.

The bass has a beautiful shape, quite regal, with large upper bouts. The top is of three pieces - two wings of fine grade cello spruce separated by a slab-cut piece down the middle. It has a flat back of quite poor quality wood with four knots that have been plugged. Many of the old Italian basses were made of low grade wood for economic reasons. A former colleague of mine referred to it as "barn wood". But it proves that the most attractive wood is not necessarily the best sounding. I have seen cellos and violas with simple wood (without "flames") which sound fabulous. David Hardy's cello is a case in point, with plain wood for the ribs and back.

The scroll on my bass is not original, but I have the original in storage. It had sustained some damage and bad repairs, so when the previous owner had the bass in for restoration he just decided to have it replaced, especially, because he would stress it further by installing an extension. The original can always be repaired and reinstalled, but I see no reason to bother with it. When I got the bass, I had to have almost all of the restoration work redone, even though it was performed only a few years before at the hands of a big-name repair man. All of the cracks on the top had come open. It was as if they had been glued on the most humid day of the year and when the top dried out a bit they all pulled apart again. Go figure! The re-glue has held very well for more than ten years and I have had no problems with it, other than a perennial buzz that arrives with the Washington humidity. No one has been able to pin-point the source, so I just avoid taking it outside to places like Wolftrap or the U.S. Capitol. A seasonal buzz is not at all uncommon with old basses.

Some of the big English basses are fantastic orchestra instruments which have an organ-like quality. Tonally, I think they're not as nice as Italian instruments, and they can be hard to hear under the ear. Paul DeNola and Ali Yazdanfar both have excellent English basses.

When I first got into the National Symphony Orchestra, the Principal, Steve Brewster, told me to get a better bass. I bought an old Italian bass with a very long string length (43 ½ inches) which sounded wonderful. I won the Assistant Principal job with it. However, after a few years I was interested in auditioning for other orchestras and I realized it was just too big to execute some of the excerpts well enough. Kind of as an experiment, I bought an Arvi, which turned out to be a pretty good bass and very easy to play, and I performed on it as Assistant Principal for about 9 years. When I won the Principal audition, I realized that I really needed to move up in quality again, so I bought my present orchestra bass. Interestingly, a couple of years after I sold my first Italian instrument, it reappeared in the finals of an audition for our NSO bass section. It was absolutely the best sounding bass there! However, the player did not prevail. It is now in use in another major orchestra.

Ah, prices! I think there has been an effort by dealers in the last ten years to push the price of basses up; new instruments and English basses are way over-priced compared to other stringed instruments. The best new basses are anywhere from $20k to $43k, while a very good new violin or viola can be had for $15k. The best old English basses are $90k or more, and old Italian basses command even higher prices…

In addition to mine, we have some excellent basses in our section. They are: Maggini, Brown, Dodd, Prescott, Panormo, and an unknown Italian. (We are short one player at the moment.) It goes to show that the NSO bassists are dedicated to sounding fantastic!

Thanks for the great question!

18. Mr. Oppelt,

I'm sorry it took so long for me to get this to you, but I wanted to say thank you (about a million times) for the lesson you gave me.  I've had plenty of time to practice and I've come to a few conclusions:

For me, the foundation of everything we talked about is the bow hold (German bow). Using your hold, I have a much more efficient transfer of arm weight into the string. Somebody recently complimented me on my playing, so, it confirms that I think I'm on to something.

Regarding bow strokes, I've found that similar to walking and running, there is a point where the stroke transitions from the slower, more pronounced vertical bounce to a "elbow bounce", similar to dribbling a basketball. In Beethoven 5 for example, I find if I move closer to the bridge and use more elbow, I get the heavy stroke I'm looking for. Am I on the right path, or would you suggest a course change?

Your thoughts on the Vanhal were very, very helpful. I've been able to clean the piece up quite a bit. One quick question (among others): Do you make any cuts, ala Roger Scott?

Finally, I was wondering if you could make a string recommendation for me. You mentioned my bass wasn't the clearest sounding, and I like something that would help me get a bit more punch and volume, especially behind the audition screen. Historically, my bass has not liked higher tension strings very much (the ribs are very light), but this was an assumption made a good many years ago, and my technique has changed considerably since then. Heliocores are bit scratchy and raw for my tastes, and the Flexocor Originals sounded great, as long as you were in a 7 foot radius of the bass. I'd love any suggestion you may have.

I'd love to play for you again, and I'm considering a road trip as soon as this summer. I learned very much during our session, and it has inspired me very much. I owe you a tremendous debt of gratitude.


Nice to hear from you!
I'm glad you are feeling good about your playing and I was able to help you with the German bow. I think you understand what I was going for.

To recap...I think what I was going for with the grip adjustment is to feel a more direct transfer of weight by the following changes: slight change of the thumb angle and stick placement on the hand (slightly more toward the joint on the index metacarpal), and a slight straightening of the arm. If you stand up next to a desk and kind of stabilize yourself with your thumb pressing on the desk top, it's similar to that feeling. If your arm is too bent or your thumb is too parallel, you weaken the support mechanism. Your arm has to be kind of a pillar between the "foundation" of your bow and the "upper structure" of your body. The same concept applies to the French bow in regard to the pillar idea -too bent and you won't get a good power transfer.
 
For a very heavy spiccato, you need to firm up because if the fulcrum (your hand) isn't firm and fairly stable you won't deliver much power.

The "elbow engine" that I described is useful for fast notes of three basic types: at the tip, on the string, played P; the middle or closer to the frog for a spiccato of MF to F; at the frog for a very heavy on the string or maybe long off stoke, played FF. I like your analogy to dribbling a basketball. I would say the elbow motion for that stroke is much like dribbling a basketball a couple of inches off the ground.

Regard the Beet. 5 stroke specifically (so called "trio"), the elbow does flex a bit, but there has to be a firmness running through it at the same time to deliver the appropriate amount of weight to the string. The wrist and fingers will share the duty of actioning the bow. The hold on the bow will also have to be pretty secure - otherwise, there is not good power transfer. It should be played spiccato.

I would like to get a hold of a video camera and put a little example on my website about these things. Problem is, I still have one of those dinosaur VHS cameras! Maybe I'll head to Best Buy...

Regarding strings, I used to use Flexocor, then went to Flexocor Originals. I just put Flexocors back on last month and I really like them. They respond a little better to vibrato on the A and D string in the mid to upper register, but are stiff enough to handle orchestra playing. I might keep them on. My bass had Helicores when I got it but I didn't like the sound under my ear. I also tried Thomastick Spirocores. They are very loud and coarse, and take about 9 months to break in, but they were intriguing. I use a Helicore long E. I recently experimented with Permanents and didn't like them at all. Sounded kind of bland or watered down to me. Every bass is different, of course, and the player.

I don't see any reason for cuts in the Vanhal...

Best of luck, and of course, feel free to write more and even drop in if you come this way.

19. Hello Mr. Oppelt,

I am a first year double bass student at a music school.  I came upon your site with great interest and wanted to write to you.
 
 I am constantly searching to expand my musical horizons in hopes of discovering my musical voice and personality. I have taken some lessons with Eugene Levinson, Janne Saksala, and Duncan McTier who I hold in high regard.
 
 Looking at your site and information on the NSO website has made me curious of your technique and pedagogical style. Having had the experiences you have had in your lifetime, notably playing with such a fantastic orchestra and with Maestro Rostropovich, I hope I someday get a chance to have a lesson with you! Your CD is wonderful and your playing is so sublimely refined and musical, truly like the voice of a singer!
 
One of the defining moments in my musical life was meeting Maestro Rostropovich in New York in 2006. My mom had gotten me tickets to see Maxim Vengerov perform the great first concerto of Shostakovich for my birthday. We were walking down the street and suddenly he was there! I was able to get a photo and have a nice chat with him for several minutes...His vibrancy, strength and passion was evident from every spoken word, and I will never forget the 'bravos' I received upon his hearing that I was a bass player. I'm Lithuanian and the maestro had connections in the Baltic and Lithuanian ancestry. You are so lucky to have been in collaboration with such a great musical mind and more so added your musical skills to create some of the most exciting and riveting performances of so many works.
 
As mentioned I'm a first year in music school and am dedicated to becoming a professional, also knowing the difficulties and limitations of the business... Needless to say I have a long way to go. I have heard stories about the difficult lives of musicians, much as you refer to in your site. I hope that now and then, if it is all right with you, I could ask your opinion on technical and musical techniques and other such things to get a wide scope of as many musical styles possible. I just wanted to email you and thank you for offering inspiration and practical advice to those of us who aspire to be like you someday. I truly hope we can collaborate in the future.

Nice to hear from you! I love getting emails from young musicians like yourself...
 
I was in Vilnius with the NSO and Rostropovich in the Fall of 1993. The Baltic "states" were beautiful. I remember in one city (maybe Vilnius) we had no heat in our hotel because the Russians were withholding oil, putting on the squeeze (or so it was rumored…). It was near freezing in my hotel room! We also played in Moscow, St. Petersburg, Riga, and Tallinn on that tour.
 
Great that you met Slava! He treated everyone he met as family and loved making connections with young people. I'm sure you got the notorious kiss from him. If so, you will always remember that, and it was one of his trademarks. Of course, he was a great musician, especially behind his cello. His performances were riveting. On the conducting podium he drew "colors" from the musicians in the same manner as his cello.  Whether sublime or bombastic, it was extremely effective musically. Every note had to be committed. His conducting technique wasn't the greatest, but he got what he wanted out of us.

I think I have always played in a dynamic way, meaning that my technique serves the musical ideas and not the other way around. Slava was that way, too - no compromises. So, being around him reaffirmed that in me. It was also invaluable to observe how he could put a spell on his audience. He was a genius, but like a child, too. Don't give up the child in you!
 
Of course, I am available to answer any questions or give advice. Thanks for the nice comments about the CD. ..
 
How great of you to write and I hope to hear more from you (or see you in D.C.)…

20. Mr. Oppelt,
 
I enjoyed your page about the Mahler 1 solo, especially this part: "You haven't heard yourself play a note in two movements and you hope you've got your bass in tune. The timpani summons you for two
measures, setting the funeral procession in motion."
 
I had the experience of playing this solo with a metropolitan level professional orchestra. It was a big night. The orchestra was playing for the first time in their newly renovated hall, and a famous soloist had opened the concert with his signature concerto. The house was sold out.
 
When the timpani came in at the beginning of the 3rd movement, it was very obvious that the orchestra had settled in below A440 - I assume that the timpanist's pitch pipe was in tune. I had literally a few
seconds to decide what to do - match where the orchestra would be after my solo or match the timpani. Ultimately, I went with the orchestra. I am (of course) interested in what you might have done.


I can certainly relate to the predicament you found yourself in. Facing a significant difference of opinion about intonation between the orchestra and the timpani, you were "between a rock and a hard place".

You implied that the orchestra was flat, but, I'm not sure how you could tell that, other than sensing the timpani to be high relative to the notes at the end of the preceding movement. It's hard to imagine such a huge discrepancy, so, I'll assume the timpani was significantly sharp and proceed to address it as a timpani intonation issue…

To avoid finding one's self in such a situation, it's important that you and the timpanist do your homework. You should touch base in a brief session before the first rehearsal to work out pitch, tempo, and balance issues. You should also practice tuning your instruments simultaneously, and on stage in the concert you might even be able to hear each other tune and get a read on things. Even so, Murphy's Law could dreadfully prevail on any given night. I think if I were to detect a reckless timpani coming my way (which is more likely in a lower level orchestra), I would put my head down and just try to play in tune with myself - it's what I do anyway.

The sound of the timpani is a bit diffuse in general and there is often a difference of timber from one drum to the other. Because of this, I think most audience members wouldn't perceive the falseness. I'd think mainly about "numero uno" - being in tune with yourself and executing the solo successfully. Besides, you are followed by the bassoon and tuba, so, you don't want to hand them a "comedy of errors" type of situation. Believe it or not, those instruments fret quite a bit about their turn (especially the tuba) and you don't want to make it any more difficult for them.

It also points to a potential weakness of the fingering I use, namely, that one can't make major intonation adjustments because of the G and D harmonics. (Getting your bass in tune is a priority.) If the timp. is out, there's a very good chance that only one of the drums is out. Well, no matter what your fingering, you don't want to be chasing that one note, certainly. Other fingerings might catch an intonation "curve ball" better, but really, you are just as likely to come across as out of tune yourself if you're intent on matching a bad timpani. I would emphasize practicing with the timp., checking your own tuning before you play, and then ultimately making it your solo (not the timpani's). That fact that you could be forty feet away from the timp. doesn't help, and means that you might not accurately perceive what's going on over there anyway.

I have performed the Mahler solo at least fifteen times and have never thought about adjusting to the timpani pitch. Maybe I was lucky and never faced a timp. that was horribly out. I look to the timp. mainly for rhythmic steadiness. With a couple of big shifts to land I don't want to be late, so I need the rhythmic targets.

On the subject of time, the only conflict I ever had in that regard was with a timpanist who wanted to take rubatos while I was playing. It wasn't a case of poor rhythm, he just thought there was musical cause for it. I had to nix that pretty quickly! The tempo the conductor sets can be an issue, too, and that's another reason why it's good to have an understanding with your timpanist. I'm not suggesting defying the conductor, but in some cases you need your "brother" with the drums to look out for you…

Thanks for the great story/question!...Robert Oppelt

21.
1. How much influence does a conductor (artistic director) have on the players and staff?
A:  The conductor has an enormous influence over the musicians and staff. Conductors are given almost dictatorial powers, much like the coach of a football team. Everyone in the organization desires to have a Music Director who is outspoken about his specific goals, ambitious toward accomplishing them, and can do it in a way that is respectful.  It's a huge responsibility, and a great opportunity for an imaginative and dedicated conductor to achieve much.  The staff makes every effort to satisfy his wishes. The staff includes the Executive Director, Director of Artistic Planning, Production Manager, Artistic Administrator, Orchestra Manager, Personnel Manager, Librarian, and other various assistants. The musicians expect the conductor to be demanding artistically, have an accomplished baton technique, and have musical ideas that are artistically credible - that they can "buy into". They also expect him to have a reasonable temper, be collegial and personally attentive at times, and to handle artistic problem areas or other personnel matters fairly.
 
2. How does the leaving of a conductor impact players/staff. Do conductors or players slacken? 
A:  Well, there is an interim period with a bit of a "lame duck" syndrome, but it doesn't affect what happens on stage whatsoever. There is an established professionalism that seems to prevail, and we're all still dedicated to making music, which is our true love.  I don't think the players slacken at all when a Music Director is on his way "out the door".  The musicians start looking for signs of leadership from the new conductor even before he arrives. The staff, I'm sure, has a tricky transitional period where they must juggle the needs of the new leader and departing one at the same time. There is usually a farewell concert. Rostropovich's was spectacular, with the biggest names making an appearance and paying tribute. I expect Slatkin's to be similar. Usually, the outgoing MD takes a seat in the audience, but Slatkin will be conducting something at his farewell.
 
3. Going along with last question. How does new the conductor impact the orchestra?
A:  We're looking for some bold moves artistically, and for the quality of the performances to improve. We expect more press coverage and an effort to reestablish ourselves artistically, with more tours and possibly some recordings. Beyond that, we hope he lives up to expectations and is a good leader.
 
4. How does the NSO go about getting a new director?
A: There's a search committee that does all the hard work. It's made up of board members, top staff, and a few orchestra musicians. Orchestra representation on that committee is at least 33%, and a 2/3 majority vote of the committee is necessary to appoint a new Music Director. This particular search is not any more secret than the last, it's just that it is taking a lot longer and the musicians are impatient.  The search committee has managed to maintain secrecy. I don't know any musicians who have been tipped-off.

5. And about the Union - are you a part of it, and does it help to be a part of a Union?  How does the Union affect the orchestra?
A: If they are not already, a musician has to become a Union member once they get in the orchestra. All of our contracts have been negotiated through the Union.  I can't imagine the musicians ever giving up Union representation, as our labor conditions and pay have improved tremendously with it. Our musical forefathers endured tough times, including strikes. You could write a whole book on the subject.

22.
Dear Mr. Oppelt,

I'm currently preparing for my senior recital in college and I would like your advice on tuning for my bass. Do you prefer solo or orchestral tuning? My program will contain mostly more modern works (Hindemith, Koussevitsky etc.). My bass has an extension so does that eliminate solo tuning?
 
Thanks for your help…

I'm sure you know that solo tuning is a controversial subject... I was taught that solo strings are the best way to get that soloistic quality which can begin to compete with the other string instruments. Certainly, solo-tuning is best if the piece is composed with that in mind. Hindemith's sonata, for example, is one of those works, and I doubt that there is an orchestra-tuning piano part for that because the piano writing is technically demanding and complex. If it does exist, I would bet that the slow movement sounds a bit muddy. Koussevitsky used solo-tuning, so, that's a good reason to play his works that way. Pieces like Vanhal and works by Bottesini are aided with solo-tuning. There is sufficient string tension for a big sound but one can get the strings down to the fingerboard a little easier.

In other situations, the sound of the instrument might be the main consideration. If a bass is on the small side and has a focused sound, it will tend to project solos better than a big bass which one might use in an orchestra. A light gauge orchestra string might do the trick.

Solo tuning can play tricks on your mind, too, because your ear expects one pitch while it hears another. This can be an issue even if you don't have perfect pitch. Your musical "being" is used to something else, and it's one more thing you have to process.

I've tried certain orchestra-tuning strings that are popular with a few solo players - Corellis come to mind. I just couldn't get a big enough sound and found that they couldn't tolerate the amount of bow pressure I use. There certainly are a variety of strings available nowadays, but I really haven't taken the time to isolate which ones might be better than solo tuning. A lot of my younger colleagues have invested more time in that, so, if someone is interested I could poll them. I use Flexocors now, for both orchestra and solo playing.

Regarding your recital, if there's a mix of solo and orchestra tuning pieces you either need two basses or have to change strings at half-time. (You'd need a contraption hooked up to a drill to do it quickly. Best to find someone to do it for you...)

You can get a long F sharp string, too. I had one on for the Barnett Serenade I recorded - a Flexocor. Your bass will be happier with it, as the tension will remain balanced. Without it, you'd have to transpose a couple of things on the E string for  the Hindemith, and just one note for the Koussevitsky, I think.

Thanks for writing, and break a leg on your recital!

23. Hello Bob,
Thanks for giving me a couple of short lessons at the 2008 Summer Workshop. I had a follow-up question about holding the bow.
I was looking at the Get A Grip article on your website and was wondering which number grip was the one you showed me. 11 looks the closest, but 8 also seems a little similar.

I was definitely trying to introduce you to no.11, the grip I prefer. Just to comment more on the differences with no. 8 - you can see that no. 8 has the stick set more in the bottom of the "trough" that exists between the thumb and the first finger and that the thumb runs more along the length of the stick. This forces the wrist to bend too much, which also strains the arm and shoulder a bit as they try to accomodate it. In no. 11, the stick rests more on or toward the joint of the first finger (which is quite firm) and it is evidenced by a small gap between the side of the thumb and the stick. The thumb itelf is more on a 45 degree angle across the stick rather than along it.

The effect is really just changing the orientation of the stick to the hand and arm, bringing it a few degrees more toward 90 degrees, and it also effectively lengthens your bow arm by removing some of it's curve. The straighter arm and wrist are stronger but more relaxed, and the power transfer is more direct. As I said, the thumb might want to slide off at first, but should hold place in a couple of weeks.

Most students of German bow have the bent wrist and arm and hold their elbow up high. It causes strain and they really can't draw the bow straight. The arm, in my opinion, should basically keep the bend and orientation that is normal when your arm hangs by your side. Just lift the whole arm up and that's what your bow arm should look like, for the most part.

Good luck with it, and I'd be happy to answer any more questions.
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24. Thanks for the lesson you gave me the other day. Your advice on the Dragonetti was really helpful; I'm already starting to sound better (though I also have four months to polish it). I've also implemented some of your fingerings, and I like one that you showed me for the excerpt from Beethoven's Fifth a lot.

I don't have any questions regarding the lesson, except one. When I tried to replicate the sautillé you showed me how to do, I noticed that it pretty soon became a tremolo rather than the actual stroke, and I had difficulty doing scales and such - I couldn't get beyond that. So I wondered what is the difference between sautillé and tremolo (in precise terms, I suppose), and how do I differentiate between the two? I will, most certainly, ask my teacher if he could teach me over the long term, but I thought I'd ask you since it pertains to the lesson.

I don't have much else to add, except 'Thanks for the lesson' again. I'll keep UMD in mind, though it may not be my first choice.


According to The ASTA Dictionary of Bowing Terms, sautillé is "a characteristically rapid, bouncing or springing stroke performed in the middle area of the bow. It differs from spiccato in that the hand or arm does not percuss the bow on every note in order to produce each bounce, which occurs naturally through the resilience of the bow stick".

The New International Dictionary of Music states that tremolo is a "tremulous effect produced by the rapid repetition of a pitch or chord or the rapid alternation of two pitches of a chord." It can also mean vibrato as pertains to the voice or in early instrumental music.

So, tremolo is rapid notes, which can be either on or off the string (sautillé)…

Right now, I wouldn't worry too much about whether the bow is successfully bouncing by itself. Try the fast bow stroke with appropriate elbow, finger, and wrist motion at different parts of the bow and see what it's like. Play it at the tip, 3/4, middle, lower half, and frog. At the tip it will be on-the-string and light, at the middle the bow will want to bounce a bit, and at the frog it will likely produce a very loud, heavy, on-the-string tremolo. To successfully encourage the bow to bounce in the middle, you'll need adjustments from the wrist and fingers, toying with both elements a bit and searching for the ideal point of bow placement. It comes with time, and part of it is the bow itself, as not all bows are eager to bounce, some being more springy that others.

Another factor effecting sautillé (and most off-the-string strokes) is which string you are playing. It will be easiest on the G and D string, more difficult on the A and E, because they are thicker and less responsive. Sometimes, a true sautillé won't be possible on the E string because it is just too slow to react. In that case, you play it decidedly on-the-string and it will approximate the appropriate sound, perhaps even hinting of a bounce. So for each string the bow has aslightly different angle relative to the ground and therefore will have a slightly different feel due to gravity. One develops a sensitivity and awareness to all of these factors over time, so be patient and you will gradually get a feel for it. Work with it on scales and find a good etude, perhaps in the Storch-Hrabe 57 Studies book which I recommended, or Sturm 110 Studies.
 
Regarding the University of Maryland, I can see what you are saying about considering it, but it might not be high on your list. I guess I am going to hear that from a lot of students. The only thing I can say is that you should go where you think the double bass teacher is the best for you. (I went to a small school with little name, but I liked the teacher.) A good teacher will give you technical guidance, of course, but they should also help you to discover the music within you. They should know orchestra parts and techniques, and encourage you to go out and test yourself against the best players and be competitive. Maryland has a great faculty and wonderful facilities, so you won't actually miss anything going there if you like working with me. I should also point out that I am a Principal player in a major symphony orchestra, which enhances my stature and what I have to offer.

You'll have to make your own decision of course, and I respect that.
 
Let me know if I can help you more. I think you have a lot of potential!


25. Hi Mr. Oppelt!
 
I just have a quick question for you.  I am in the process of learning German bow (took a couple lessons with someone who plays German) and could you recommend a couple bowing exercise methods?  What I really need to work on now is getting my right hand up to speed with my left hand.
 
Also my primary teacher is having me work on Beethoven's 8th Symphony.  How would you practice the string crossings in the 3rd mvt from the G to A strings?

Thanks for the note...
 
Interesting that you are trying German. What type of grip? What's your initial take on it?
 
For pure string crossing patterns, there's a book by Zimmerman called A Contemporary Concept of Bowing for the Double Bass. Practicing slowly and gradually increasing speed with a passage helps. Kreuzer and Sevcik will certainly break things down for you - and drive you crazy after a while. But, everybody's got to take their medicine.
 
My favorite basic etude book is Storch-Hrabe, 57 Studies. There's plenty of bow crossing and control stuff there. Also, I think the sonatas by Vivaldi are excellent because the music is wonderful but not too technically demanding. Playing those will give you an idea of what kind of "voice" you can get with the bow, while learning a lot about bow control, speed, placement, and expression.
 
Regarding Beethoven's 8...that is a bear for string crossings. Couldn't you find something easier your first week?! Slurred crossings between the G and A (or D and E) will not be as smooth as adjacent strings, of course, whether played French or German. First, you'll use a wide swing of your arm, probably more than you think is comfortable (try it in slow motion). Secondly, you time a squeeze of bow pressure when you make contact with each string, effectively passing or cheating over the unbowed string. You can't really just lean into it and swing your arm because you will play the middle string. You have to let off a bit when you pass over. The final thing is to fit the stroke into the musical phrase as much as you can by giving shape to the line so it's not just a bunch of jerky motions. It's a finagle passage that really doesn't lie well...
 
Great piece-have fun with it! (Don't hurt yourself!)

26. Robert:  I have your CD and it has provided much insight into my playing. Excellent work - you should be very proud of this. Most recordings are with solo tuning and sometimes using smaller instruments that do not represent what the bass actually is. Your CD and Ed Barker's truly represent this instrument.  I play French bow and found your article on the strong bow arm very helpful.  I was not allowing my bow arm to extend enough. Enough on the accolades… I read your bio and you stated Lynn Peters helped you develop an excellent sforzando. Can you elaborate and explain what you do and how you produce it? I see many bassists begin this with a herky-jerky crunching kill-the- beast motion; no vibrato, no "blooming" or pulling of the sound, no resonation.


Sorry to take a few days to get back to you. I spent the weekend listening to 120 fiddle players audition for the NSO. It's not as difficult as for those on the other side of the screen, but, it is an endurance test…

I'm glad you like the CD. I did want to show what a "real" bass sounds like. I think the Schuller showcases that natural character and power of the instruments the best. I'm very happy with how that turned out. I'm considering doing another CD in the next couple of years. It would again have at least one piece with the orchestral sounding bass, but, I think this time around I should represent a solo setup to satisfy some of the critics.

Glad the bow arm page has been useful for you. I put that together because I've been seeing a very high elbow in some students. The problem is most common when they play a very small bass which forbids any arm extension, and a setup which won't tolerate much bow pressure.

Regarding the sforzando…I like your preference for bloom and resonation rather than a "crunchando". There is a place for the crunch, too, however. Like all musical effects, the sfz should be performed with the appropriate musical taste. If the composer is very detailed and specific about staccatos, accents, and dynamics, then the sfz is going to be a quite dramatic effect. For instance, a Beethoven sfz in his third and fourth symphonies would be very aggressive, whereas the forte-pianos are gentler. A quick look at the last movement of Brahm's third symphony shows plenty of marks for staccato, accents, accents with dots, sforzandos, piu forte, ben marcato, etc. It's clear Brahms was not casual about sfz, that he intended a dramatic effect. In slower music (like in a Mahler adagio) the sfz would likely be stretched in duration and probably eased into, almost with a delayed effect. Those are a lot of fun, too.

How I would produce it would depend on the effect that I want. A more violent effect might require a martelé beginning where you pinch the string first. Or, it might be appropriate to just speed up the bow, often with a corresponding increase in vibrato speed. A player without experience would not know how to do these things and would need to be shown how to do it correctly. By the way, it takes a strong bow arm…


27. Dear Mr. Oppelt,
 
I am a student of Tracy Rowell's at the University of Akron, Ohio. I play German bow primarily, and I was assigned by her to print off your many pictures of different German-style bow grips from your website. I have found many interesting variations, but actually use a grip most like "yours" (no. 11, although my thumb remains along the stick, resting more on its tip rather than wrapping at a 45 degree angle and overlapping the index finger, and I don't palm the frog. Anyway, my teacher plays French most of the time and thinks if I experimented with your different examples I might understand the bow more deeply, as well as have these choices of grips along with my own to use.

But, in my own practice with the up-bow I've become very tight around the underside of my elbow and have a difficult time performing an up-bow without the elbow and wrist "breaking". The elbow droops naturally - is this bad? If I try to lift it out, so as to match the direction of my palm with the elbow, I feel tightness on the pinky-side of my elbow, in my armpit, and in the top of my shoulder. I get this also in my left arm, so I've taken it as simple tightness in my range of motion. I've been stretching and my cramped feelings are slowly washing away... We've played some loud music in orchestra and I have no real shortage of volume with what I use, nor physical pains for my right side, and so this question of technique remains.
 
But I brought this up to my teacher and said I wished you had pictures of not only the detailed hand and fingers - the point where the bow meets the player - but also images showing the forearm, elbow, shoulder
and anything more of interest, and the correct posture while playing(the challenge of capturing motion in snap-shots...). The up-bow for "German" players is a particular feat, and I have no one to show me these
insights or talk to me about what's right and wrong AND WHY? All the images on your website show the bow nearer to the frog at the string, but what about starting at the tip? I have had no grave physical or musical or technical difficulties that I couldn't solve on my own - at least in concept - but I'm curious about your experiences and techniques, and whether you share any of the questions I have.
 
I see in a picture on the home page of your website you are near the tip with your bow. You are wearing a tuxedo, but I am guessing at the look of your elbow inside it as being somewhat relaxed and upward-facing...? Mine never locks, but I am curious about the position of elbow, wrist, and arm - especially on the G string. As one travels to the tip, his reach gets shorter, and I am working with this phenomenon also. If you could comment or go so far to show me to proper images of the bow arm it would be so vauable... Thanks -


Thanks for writing. I received your email quite a while ago and have since put up a  webpage up which expresses some of my thoughts on the bow arm regarding angle of the elbow and how best to apply pressure...
 
I'll experiment with your grip some, but I would think playing off the tip of the thumb will be less powerful and cause extra tension in the thumb, wrist, and forearm. This is apparent to me without playing the instrument - just lifting and retracting the thumb into that position causes tension. I suggest you experiment with allowing it to straighten out a bit and lap over the stick near to a 45 degree angle. The photo of me on the first page of my website was taken a while ago (I'm now old and wrinkled!). My thumb is more along the stick in that photo than what I do now, or, it could be just the look of the picture. When I started playing, I was taught to have the thumb on its side along the stick, similar to no. 7. I think I have a very efficient bow arm now, which has evolved over time.
 
The arm should not be overly bent at the elbow, otherwise it doesn't transfer it's own weight and that of your upper body (when you need it). Also, a high bent elbow will cause tension in the shoulder, especially when playing at the tip. One has to allow the arm to extend (though rarely completely straight)led by the hand, not the elbow, like you are painting a wall. The greatest extension of the arm occurs playing on the G string at the tip. Also, one might fall into the bad habit of applying pressure by torquing the elbow rather than just relaxing weight down into the bow hand. The elbow position should be basically the same as when your arm hangs by your side and no extra effort should be made to point or hold the elbow out sideways (except with the French bow, when the whole arm is pronated approximately 90 degrees). Explore allowing the arm to nearly straighten at the tip (mostly when playing the G string) while keeping the elbow pointing rather toward the ground, not in the direction that your palm is traveling. At times, when a lot of extension is needed (like playing a large instrument close to the bridge), it might be necessary to get closer to the bowing area by bringing the body more up and over the instrument. The bass isn't a violin or cello, after all, where maximum extension is rarely required. (Small-framed cellists do extend the arm quite a bit when playing at the tip on the A string.)

I'm not sure what issue you are having with the up-bow, other than that you might be trying to hold your elbow out to the side which you simply can't do comfortably as you extend and prepare to make the up-bow. N.B...More extension on the G string, less on the E string.
 
I hope I helped you in some way. Say high to Tracy - a very good player and teacher.
 
Thanks, Bob

Follow up:
Thanks for writing again…
I get the impression you are happy with your grip because you like it enough to defend it...that's good! If you try mine, I wouldn't expect you to be able to do it first try. Give it a couple of weeks. Regarding origins of grips, there are/were European pockets where a particular style prevailed. For instance, Ludwig Streicher in Vienna taught that the first finger should be on top with the thumb basically off the stick (no. 2, and he also had his left toe against the back of the bass with his heel on the ground). I've seen the thumb-on-side approach in Czekoslovakia, and I was first taught that, and I think it was more common among the early German bow players in this country. In the Berlin Phil. one player has the stick way out in his hand (no. 10). So, at this point, I really don't put much value on the origins, but would rather focus on a common sense response to the shape of the frog and method of applying weight. We all have different physiques, after all, so each person should do what is best for them. But if people tell me they have tension or other problems, all I can do is share what works for me and explain why.


28. Hey Mr. Oppelt,
 
Before coming to college I always considered conservatory study, but when I realized that I couldn't make it to a conservatory (not enough time to practice with all my high school work) I realized that to make the best of it, I should go to a school with a relatively good orchestra for non-conservatory study. 
 
Well, last night I played Stravinsky's Symphony in Three movements with my school's orchestra.  We closed the concert with Gerswhin's American in Paris.  After playing, I realized that I truly want to be a professional double bassist or conductor.  I would not enjoy any other profession.  So I'm wondering if it's too late for me to do this. 

Right now, my school is largely an academic school and provides very little time for me to practice besides my rehearsals with the University orchestra.  The school does offer a minor in musical performance and a music major.  Music majors can audition for a dual degree program with the Royal College of Music in London.  I think you can get whatever degree from RCM you choose.  I think how that works is that you spend two semesters at RCM during your studies here, and then after you graduate you go to RCM to finish your work. 
 
I'm wondering what you think I should do to make the best of the current situation.  Should I practice a lot and try to transfer to a conservatory?
 
Also, I'm wondering which German grip you use.  On the descriptions, you say you like the one where your thumb overlaps the stick but on your homepage I think you're using a different grip? I could be wrong, but I'm just wondering what grip you favor. 
 
Thanks a lot in advance for your considerations,
 

                                                                                                                              

 I think you need to get a realistic assessment of your talent level from a professional before you "take the plunge". Perhaps you've had private teachers that can advise you. Otherwise, I can recommend a couple of bassists either in the NY or Philly area. There is certainly nothing to hinder your development as a musician, regardless of your focus of study - time would be the only limiter. As I've said before, if you have good instruction and practice effectively, you will be quite satisfied with your progress. If your goal is a top orchestra job, however, you should understand how competetive it is, that there are way too many music schools turning out good bass players and not enough jobs to support them. That route requires a big commitment.

Usually, at an audition for a top orchestra only about ten percent of the bassists there have a chance of winning. If there are 100 players there might be only 4 that make it to the final round. Add to that that you can count on one hand the number of major orchestra positions open in a given year and it looks even more bleak. I read recently that BB King said if he had it to do over again in today's world, he would have majored in computers and minored in music. He's probably kidding himself a bit, though, 'cause there's no stopping BB... The NSO played Mahler's third symphony recently and I enjoyed every minute of it. It reminds me that it should be each person's goal to spend their life doing what they enjoy most. But it's normal to have doubts about a chosen profession (and a lot of other things!), especially when you are young. I do think if you stick with something, in spite of difficulties along the way, you'll eventually find a "place" where you are happy, provided you remain open to learn and keep a generally positive attitude. It might take time, but if one doesn't begrudge their situation they'll grow through it.
Regarding how I'm holding the bow on my homepage photo - it does look a bit more like my thumb is sideways along the stick. That picture was taken about 12 years ago. It could be that it just looks different in the photo, or that I actually held it that way. Over the years, my grip has evolved from no. 7 (which my first teacher taught me) to no. 11. I also recall playing the Bottesini Concerto no. 2 some years ago using grip no. 2, when I was experimenting with it. For that piece, you play constantly and the way that you can just hang on the bow with it seemed to work o.k., though it's rough on the first finger. I find more cons than pros with it for most other playing, but if I play that piece again I will certainly take a second look at it.
 My first teacher, Milton Beisiegel, attended the New England Conservatory of Music, studied with George Moleux of the Boston Symphony, Samuel Levitan of the New York Philharmonic, and later in middle age with William Rhein of the Boston Symphony Orchestra. He was quite a virtuoso player, by the way, and could have played with the NY Phil. But in those days (1940s-50s), American orchestras didn't pay a living wage and the job was very insecure with dictatorial conductors able to dismiss you in an instant. Auditioning was different, too. Someone with a good reputation was recommended and granted a chance to play privately for a conductor. If he liked you, you got the job. Milton decided to become a business man while leading an incredibly rewarding musical life on the side (and he's still going!). So, I've rattled on a bit. Take care... Thanks, Robert Oppelt


29.
Dear Mr. Oppelt,
Thanks so much for making your website. Your grip page was very informative and has helped my playing considerably.  I have a question that I hope you can answer.  I was watching a series of videos by Andrew Anderson, a bassist in Chicago, and he introduced me to a concept of moving his first finger down with a down bow, and up with an up bow.  (He uses a French bow)  It was during spiccato stroke, and it seemed like it was sort of jump starting the string, to get it moving.  Is my description understandable?  If so, is that a concept that should be applied with the German bow?  Using the thumb and first finger to sort of shoot the bow in the direction you are about to go?  Thanks.

I spent 15 minutes reviewing some of Mr. Anderson's videos, trying to get an idea of what you are referring to. Was it the comparison to making a kind of pizzicato motion with the first finger, both in a forward and backward direction?

I think his explanation made sense. The basic stroke requires some sort of follow through with the hand, and as the first finger of the French bow delivers most of the pressure, it's going to be the most active.

The tricky thing about explaining technique in such a detailed manner from the very start is that students risk obsessing over something. They should also learn that a desired musical effect should dictate the technique and not the other way around. For example, when Mr. Anderson shows how to draw a basic stoke in the earlier video, he indicates to kind of grab or pinch the string with the bow at the beginning of each stroke. I think he should immediately categorize that as martelé (or marcato), and state that a note can be produced in a variety of other ways. For instance, one can also start with very little attack for a different musical effect, which would require less pinching of the string and less (or no) pressure from the first finger. The slightest suggestion can become a fixation and a bad habit, and in this case, I hope no one comes away from his video thinking that every stroke should start with such an attack.

As to your question specifically, it's hard to draw a correlation between the first fingers of the two grips - they are just too different. Whether French or German bow, spiccato has both vertical and horizontal factors at play and you'll need to control them both according to the sound you want to create. For example, a spiccato played medium speed, middle bow, and MF will require a good bit of finger and wrist motion; slower, louder, and at the frog might require more of the whole arm. Identify the sound you want and if your technique doesn't automatically do it, you have to analyze how to produce it.

Regards,
Robert Oppelt

30.
Dear Mr. Oppelt,
I am an amateur bassist playing mostly in a community orchestra and a WWII era swing band. I am 59 and I started studying in the 8th grade in Manhattan with a bassist with the NBC Orchestra. I studied for 2 years with him. Since then my playing has been mostly sporadic, only to recently resume studying with a bassist with the local symphony. I am now retooling to the French bow and my question is how much rosin to use. My teacher is a minimalist in that regard, but I squeak quite a bit unless I put a bit on. Your comments would be greatly appreciated.

I am truly awed by your playing and am awaiting eagerly the arrival of your CD, which I just ordered from Lemur.

How much rosin?...In a way, it is an entirely personal thing - like the sound you draw out of your instrument. One has to develop a sense for what serves the task at hand. Of course, you obviously want to guard against using too much, especially, in very warm and humid conditions. I always use "just enough", which means every time I sit down to play I make a judgment call as I warm up. A lot of players make the mistake of applying too much at once. You'll be fine if you take a swipe or two, play a little while, and then add more if necessary. I suggest waiting to add more until you really know you need it.

How do you know? - When the bow isn't doing its share of the work. It will be most obvious for the orchestra, where aggressive off-the-string playing is often necessary. But when I apply it, I always start with little and add as necessary. As to the method, when playing a busy orchestral piece I usually take two full swipes and then two shorter swipes in the lower half which is where most of the spiccato and heavier playing occurs.

Sometimes, when playing outdoors in warm summer venues like Wolf Trap, I experience a rosin "meltdown", where adding it just makes it more slippery. It gets even more fun when the fingerboard and strings are glistening with dew...

I use Pop's, and I make sure to get the freshest available...

By the way, if you get squeaks it's more likely old, powdery rosin. It could also be improper bow placement or bow speed.

Thanks for writing, Robert Oppelt

31.
Hi Bob,    The Bach is coming along. (1st Suite, Gigue.) I am playing it much better than when we initially worked on the fingerings. I am able to play the second part but at a slower tempo than what the piece recommends: dotted quarter = 100. Nevertheless, progress is progress. However, when I go into thumb position (while playing either this piece, practicing C maj scale or an etude), sometimes I get the dreaded "squeeeaaakk" (ugh!) where the bow isn't fully catching the string and the note isn't articulated properly. Why does this occur? How do I prevent this from happening? Why does it seem to only happen when I am playing in a higher register on the G-string?
Another question, if I may? In the 3rd and 4th measures of the Bach, how do I get it to NOT sound like it's sliding? It doesn't sound so bad when I slow down but as I speed up the tempo, it reminds me of an elephant blowing/whining. I have spent a lot of time just doing those measures over and over and it's still not quite there. I'd appreciate any suggestions you may have on how to play those.  
Thanks, so much, for your help.

Hey, that's funny about the elephant...I'll have to remember that!
 

To answer your questions:
 

The squeak sound happens because you don't lower your bow. In the higher positions the string is shorter, so you've got to lower your bow proportionately to keep the same kind of sound. Otherwise, it will overwhelm the string and choke it. You can practice that on scales or just playing low notes and switching them to a higher octave (one or two octaves higher), back and forth, to get the feel of having to drop your right hand along with your left hand. Experiment with how far you need to drop the bow. The Bach shouldn't require a dramatic drop because you're only barely going into thumb position. I would venture that your bow is too high (over the fingerboard) to start with in general. Try to just keep it an inch lower than what you've been doing and see what effect it has.
 

The third and fourth measures issue is probably about the bow. Have the bow a little lower and make sure it stays down for those measures. Also, make sure you give a good emphasis with each down bow, follow through, and let the bow come off the string a little after the slur. Then, for the next eighth note, recover a little to keep closer to the frog where the sound will be stronger and you'll be in a good place to play the slurred notes that follow. By "recover" I mean that in mid-air you bring the bow closer to the frog to the point where you want to play the next note. There's a pickup eighth there that you want to be played pretty close to the frog. Isolate it by playing just the pickup followed by the slurs a few times and you'll find where you want to be in the bow.
 

I checked out the video you linked to. Those guys are amazing, for sure. I think Victor (Wooton) won that one, but Anthony had to let him...Victor should write a concerto for electric bass and orchestra....
 

Take care, Bob


32. Hello Robert,
 
 
I just stumbled across your website earlier while I was having a well-earned break from preparing for an audition. I saw your tip about spiccato & wondered if you might have a couple of wise words for a French bow player on the subject - specifically, trying to prepare the opening of Act 3 of Falstaff. I have never really mastered a really reliable "off the string" stroke & at times like this it causes me serious grief! As I am a French bow player things may differ slightly but I'm sure there is much in common with the German bow method. Sometimes the obvious is the most overlooked in my case! I am addressing all the things like... balance, part of bow, placing on string, rosin, weight etc. At the moment I'm trying to get a good feel for it. Progress is slow and frustrating! Any ideas?

Well, this was fun for me because I was not familiar with the passage in question. I tracked it down through my friend, Bob D'Imperio, who leads the bass section with the Washington National Opera. He informed me that the excerpt has been asked for at Metropolitan Opera bass auditions, so, it's definitely worth learning!
I practiced it for a bit at 132 then at 144 (not knowing the proper tempo). I found it no problem at those tempos, French or German bow. Then, I re-read your email, where you suggested max. 120. I thought it was slightly more difficult at the slower tempo for the French. I emailed Tim Cobb (Principal, MET) about the proper tempo and he came back with 116 -120.
At a fast tempo, the technique is powered mainly by a flexing elbow, with the wrist and fingers finishing it off (it borders on sautillé). For French, the stroke would require a straighter arm than say if you were laying into a F legato. The arm practically straightens on the down bow. The hand would go right (and down) while the elbow would go left (and up) - natural motions of the arm extending. The shoulder would remain relaxed, even wobble a bit.
But it's the correct, slower tempo that is more difficult because it requires more effort for each note. The bow doesn't rebound as much on its own as with a faster tempo. For me, the French bow required a little more effort in this regard than the German, perhaps because the hand is closer to the point of contact rather than toward the end of the stick as with German. I also found it helpful to let the bow arm hang fairly low to provide weight (or counter weight) to the bow over the contact point. Of course, the playing characteristics of the bow itself - weight, balance, and springiness - will be considerations (with both types of bows). (I should also say that the French bows I have at the moment aren't all that good...)
I did not find the passage difficult, really, and I think if one has good basic training in spiccato (read: etudes!) this excerpt should be easily playable. I had all of my students learn it in the last couple of weeks because I think it's a very good test of spiccato, especially, with the extreme dynamic range from beginning to end. Fingerings need to be well-chosen, too. None of the kids had real trouble with it. I think some of them who didn't see it as a "standard" excerpt failed to spit-shine it, but, they may be surprised to see it on a real audition some day!
So, thanks for bringing this "lick" to my attention. I had fun learning it!

33. Robert,

I am an amateur bass player and recently purchased your MSR Classics CD "The Double Bass".   I wanted to write to say that from the artistic and technical, musical selection and recording standpoints it is by far the best "bass" CD I have heard. 

To give you some background, I was an electric bassist as a teenager and morphed into an upright bass player as an adult. I only played pizz and slap in sessions and jams for about 30 years and then finally decided I ought to learn to use a bow. After only a couple of years with a bow, though, I began to have some carpal tunnel/tennis elbow type problems in my left arm.  I'm sure poor technique (as well as age) was a factor.

I switched to wind instruments for a couple years but finally decided to try cello as a less physically demanding string choice, about seven years ago. Again, with only a few cursory lessons, I have been able to hurt myself with poor technique, developing a slow to heal tendonitis at the base of my right thumb. My left arm, however, has improved to the point where I can play the bass again, using a German style bow. I guess French style is out because of my sore thumb. 
But I'm more interested, this time around, in playing a small bass (as in child-size or more like a cello) because I think I might be less likely to get hurt. I might also try tuning it like a cello.
What are your thoughts on this?...

First, I'm very touched by the compliments about my CD. I'm so glad you like it. I have trouble judging it myself, so, I'm always gratified when someone genuinely does like it. I'm happy with the assortment of styles on there - after all, I didn't exactly want a CD of background music. (exhibit: Schuller!) I'd like to do another one but with the economy the way it is I have to put it off for a while...
 
Regarding your inquiry about small instruments...It's an interesting concept - adults playing childrens' size instruments. I never thought about it, and it makes me ask why you think playing a small bass is best for you? I think you will not be less prone to injury with a small instrument. On the contrary, I would wager that you are more likely to get hurt playing an instrument that is too small for you, much as wearing a pair of shoes that is too small for you.
 
If you really like the bass and want to stick with it for a while, I suggest getting hold of a normal 3/4 size bass that has a string length of 41-42 inches. (You may still have it in the closet.) What is very important is that you have it properly set up for arco playing. Some jazz players have the strings very high off the fingerboard, and that just doesn't work for arco and can lead to tendonitis. Find a shop that can give you a proper classical setup, and you should still be able to play a decent pizz. on it, too.
I also recommend taking some lessons from a local professional whom you trust - even a few times a year so you have goals and are on the right track with your technique. You should not experience any pain with a regular size bass, playing it with good fundamentals (and not overdoing it, of course).
 
I would also recommend against using the cello tuning as you have 30 years of regular tuning under your belt. As a large glorified cello it will be too difficult (more injuries), and as a small bass it will not function properly, either.
 
Sorry if I can't support your effort to find a really small bass. I hope you trust me that it is not the route to go...
 
Regards, Bob Oppelt

34. Hi Bob,

I have been teaching public school orchestra for the past 26 years and as a bass player, I miss playing in the orchestra. I've had a great career, but I'm ready for something different.

(By the way, I think I was at college when you auditioned for the Detroit Symphony Orchestra and I remember the controversy.)

Anyway, I am trying to set myself for retirement from teaching high school orchestra and would like to get back into playing. I need a bass (I sold my big English orchestra bass years ago) that will compete with the young pups. I'm not talking about auditioning for the National Symphony, but even auditioning for smaller orchestras is really competitive now.

From what I gather, Edgar Meyer and Rabbath have changed the levels so dramatically that now you are asking for a movement of a Bach Cello suite for auditions. Should this be at pitch or will the Sterling editions suffice? Any suggestions for movements?

Also, will a new bass work for auditions? I haven't been around the business in a while so I am curious what the kids are playing on.

I figure I'm four years away from actually retiring so I'm looking to work my chops up, get the right equipment and take it from there.

Thanks


Interesting story and I think it's great that you want to get back into playing...

Regarding the Detroit audition...looking back, I can understand that they perhaps didn't want to hire a 20 year-old kid who hadn't been to Julliard or other big name school. It was a great experience anyway, and it surely helped me get ready for the next audition, which was for the National Symphony Orchestra. One thing I'll always remember about that audition is that the proctor was really nice and complimentary.

Some of the new instruments are quite good. I doubt if anyone is going to win on a Chinese or Romanian bass, but it's possible. Certainly, some of the basses made by Arvi, Jakstadt, Solano, Pollman, Threlkeld, Schnitzer, Riley, Martin or Hachez(too name a few!), sound good and are easy to play. A bass should be loud enough and have a warm, clear tone. It has been said that the best players can make even a "cheese box" sound good.

The main advantage of the newer instruments is that they are indeed easy to play. The tone of an old instrument is superior, but one is often grappling with a neck that needs to be reset, high shoulders, or a long string length. Your big English had a great sound, I'm sure, but ergonomically it probably took a toll. I owned an Arvi for ten years and played it in the NSO. It wasn't a huge sound, but it was big enough to contribute adequately, and I think I got a pretty good tone out of it. I bought it as an interim instrument and before I knew it ten years had passed. For the money, it's hard to go wrong with an Arvi. Regarding prices of new instruments - I wouldn't pay more than $25k. Hachez basses are well constructed, but very expensive ($46k) and a four-year wait. I think there are some good older instruments (German) to be had for $20k...

You can try many new instruments at the ISB conventions, of course. Tom Wolf in The Plains, VA, can make a bass that sounds very good without breaking the bank - he was awarded a certificate of tone at the recent convention. (That bass is still for sale…) www.lowstrings.com

A movement of Bach has been typically asked at auditions for quite some time and I don't think there's a connection to the recent push to play the suites at pitch. We in the NSO like to hear it in the semi-final round. As to which movement to play - sometimes that's decided for you, usually, the Bourrées from the third suite, or at least to play out of the Sterling edition. Stick with the Sterling if you're most comfortable with that, as the committee won't be concerned with whether it's at pitch or transposed, only whether it's performed with sufficient grace - no rewards for being macho.

A bass with an orchestral setup is not the best vehicle for playing Bach at pitch. Rabbath and Meyer use light strings and low string height to maximize playability in the high positions. That's a completely different thing than, say, grunting out the opening of Mahler 2. I suggest choosing a movement that lies well on an orchestral bass, like the Bourreés or Gigue from the third suite (Sterling/Peters). 

I wouldn't expect to make a huge impression with Bach at an audition, just be tasteful and in tune. It is not an indication of one's ability as an orchestral player, i.e., whether you can do a variety of bow strokes, follow dynamics, have solid rhythm, with the appropriate style, etc.

Regards and best of luck..


35.Dear Mr Oppelt

 Saw your website!!!  I'm a french bow player, I work in an orchestra in Spain at the moment.  Recently, I've been playing German bow in orchestra, and I've found that many things are easier (and bigger sounding) with the German bow, especially in orchestra.
One of the articulations I've been struggling with, however, is spiccato - particularly in the Beethoven 5 trio.  I was wondering how you go about working on that, and what bow hold would facilitate it.  I saw your photos of the various bow holds.  Most of which I was familiar -  we have a lot of Streicher students in the section.  Which one works best for spiccato?  The hold I've been using is with the 1st finger and thumb on the side of the stick.
I've not yet tried your favorite hold.  I'll try that tomorrow - the one where you wrap the thumb around the stick.

 Also, does sitting position effect spiccato?  Is it easier, for example, to have the bass more vertical, as opposed to flat??

       Thanks sincerely!
      

Thanks for writing!

I'm not quite sure what the grip is that you are trying, as you say both the thumb and first finger are on the side of the stick - you must mean top of the stick.

The most important thing is not to strain your bow arm when you play at the tip. You need a grip without a lot of bend in the wrist, or sometimes even angling the bass more upright and away from you (left) might create a more favorable angle for your wrist and bow arm. I'm definitely not a believer in being in a fixed position. The basses that I play are pretty big, and I don't want to be limited any more than if I were wrestling with a bear (as playing the bass sometimes resembles that).

A lot depends on what kind of playing you are doing, but, you do need a grip that's going to serve as your default. There are quite a few different styles of playing the bass these days, and it certainly will factor in to how you hold the bow. For example, if you are going to be playing on solo strings or a very light tension set up that doesn't require a lot of pressure, then a single finger on top might suffice. If you're doing some heavy orchestra playing, then you'd probably need two fingers or the thumb to apply sufficiently more pressure.

Most French bow players who pick up the German bow initially have trouble with wrist flexibility, which is necessary for spiccato strokes. Experiment with bowing exercises which require wrist flexibility - like repeat up bow, down bow, or flying spiccato. These require enough flexibility to cock the wrist to the right and shoot it to the left (and vice versa), and that ability is very important for both French and German bow. 

Yes, I like putting my thumb on top, lapping over at about a 45 degree angle. One thing I like about that is the increased sensory perception. After all, when you pick up a glass, the thumb assists your fingers to grip it securely, help determine the fragility of it, and even read the temperature of the liquid inside. So the sensory perception is different with each. And I like having the thumb's help with spiccato. Other differences are a slightly lower hanging arm with fingers on top, and possibly the balance point will be different. You've got all of your fingers in contact with the stick with French, but not with German. It might seem to be less tactile information for a French bow player (and it may well be the case!). But I feel like I can deliver practically limitless power the way I hold the bow, and whether you play French or German, you want to have that conviction.

For Beethoven's 5th, you would learn the stroke the same way as with a French bow. Start slow, off the string, but trying to retain a fairly quick throw into the string, which you would do when playing it up to tempo. Remember that the tip is going to be busiest in terms of vertical motion, and start it from off the string. You might need to isolate pure bounce first, to get a feel for it. You'll also need some of that cock and release motion I was talking about for the proper stroke. It takes time, have patience…

It don't think there's much difference between sitting and standing with specific regard to spiccato. There will be a slight change in gravity on the bow and your bow arm, certainly. I always sit…

Take care, Bob

36.
Mr. Oppelt, how are you!!! I recently watched a video on youtube of the Vienna Philarmonic and noticed that some bassists played with the bow completely crooked, not being parallel to the bridge. I tried it and found it interesting how the friction of the bow produces a stronger sound. Is it possible to drop the bow like that as well? It contradicts everything that my teacher talked about. Thank you for the guidance regarding German bow.
Another thing I forgot to ask - as I saw in your guide, I play like the 10th example. I learned watching a teacher here in my country. I would like to know the name and details of this school. I only know it was played by Professor Zepperitz in the BPO. I play seated and this was the best method for directing the bow for me. Thank you once more…

Hello and thanks for the interesting question! I do think there are plenty of German Bow players out there that draw the bow crooked, i.e., not parallel to the bridge but with the tip angled toward the floor. They could well give the impression that it is a natural tendency of playing the German method. I have also noticed watching the Berlin Phil on TV that it sometimes looks like the bass players are doing that. When I saw them in person here in Washington, however, they did not appear to be drawing the bow crooked whatsoever. So, it seems to me that it could partly be an optical illusion. Also, keep in mind that the arch of the bridge and fingerboard describes a conical shape, which means that the plane on which the bow is to be drawn is not exactly parallel to the bridge across all of the strings. For example, playing on the G string, the plane tilts slightly down toward the floor, so it is entirely appropriate to let the tip drop a bit, from a purely geometrical standpoint. (With a five string bass, which BPO bassists play, this effect would be even greater.)

However, I think some German bow players let the tip drop too much because their grip and bow arm do not have sufficient flexibility to allow the arm to extend as the bow approaches the tip. (Or, they play a huge bass which requires a big reach to bow.) Professor Zepperitz's grip allowed for a good extension of the arm and a flexible wrist, so, I doubt he bowed crooked. We should also admit that, from a certain perspective, a carpenter's saw is more efficiently designed than the German bow. It's gripped similarly, but draws toward and away from the body. We have to be clever enough to take advantage of the lower (and some say, stronger) arm position, but direct the force more to the left. Fortunately, it is possible because the arm, fingers, and wrist are flexible and the arm easily pronates.

As to whether there is a tonal improvement by bowing crooked more than I suggest - I don't think so.  There might be more superficial noise which effects tone color and gives the impression of creating volume, but I can't believe that it's superior or useful for more than a special effect. Also, the bow changes get very noisy, and it's quite a challenge to keep the contact point consistent. I wouldn't recommend it to anybody.

Having said that…one of my favorite books is Principals of Violin Playing and Teaching, by Ivan Galamian. Galamian was a very famous teacher at the Curtis Institute and Julliard School, who is often considered the father of virtuoso violin pedagogy in the U.S. Some of his students were Zuckerman, Perlman, Steinhard, and Dicterow. In one chapter he declares "the straight bow stroke" to be "the foundation of the entire bow technique". However, later in the book he qualifies that by saying, "it is a fact that in drawing a singing tone at not too great a speed, the most resonant sound will be produced when the bow is at an extremely slight angle with the bridge". The angle he implies is that of the tip toward the fingerboard, which is the opposite of what we've been discussing for the double bass. He comments that the opposite tilt produces an inferior sound on the violin. So, it's not clear to me how it might translate for us bass players.

It is entirely normal for the bow to come off-line for short, vigorous strokes (i.e., sautillé or FF tremolo and spiccato). But a good ear and a sensitive touch will likely confirm that bowing straight on long tones produces the best possible sound on the bass.

The second part of your question was about the "school" with which your grip might be associated. I only know that it appears in Germany (though not the most common) and that Peter Riegelbauer of the BPO also uses it. Perhaps you should inquire with him.

Best regards,
Bob Oppelt

37. Mr Oppelt,

First, I'd like to echo the thanks for the informative web site. I'm a middle/high school orchestra director. My main instrument is the classical guitar, but I also studied the double bass in college. I was trained with the French bow in the style of Jeff Bradatich from Univ of North Texas (my teacher is a former student of his) using mainly Zimmerman's "Contemporary Concept of Bowing Technique for the Double Bass" as a bowing supplement. I've recently been drawn to the German bow because of its strong tone and singing sound. I've used Zimmerman's book to try out the German bow as he approaches string crossing from a "German perspective", but I'm weary of teaching myself bad habits. I'm having my first child in 4 days and my job keeps me very busy (although my job does provide some opportunity to grab a quick practice session occasionally), so I was hoping to gather a few pointers from some German players before I launched off on my experiment. Are there any things that you would recommend I be careful to avoid? I'm taking it very slow with open strings, Zimmerman exercises (no further than the first set of bowing patterns), Simandl etude 7, shifting exercises, and a couple of orchestral excerpts. I've tried out some of the bow holds on your site and sort of settled on #11. I'm having the most trouble with spiccato and smooth wrist motion on bow changes. Feeling more and more comfortable everyday, but any help to stay on the right track would be wonderful. Thanks for you help to me and everyone else. I've read and learned from all the e-mails on your site.
 


Thanks for writing…Wow, you've got a child on the way! How wonderful! You could well be in the thick of things by now. Enjoy and of course, they do grow up fast. Ain't easy, but you'll do anything for them, lucky for them!...
It's hard to give general advice in writing about getting started with the German bow. You'll probably need a teacher to assist you. One of these days, I'll get around to doing some kind of video and posting it on youtube. Just been too busy…

The safest suggestion is to start with some scales, first drawing full bows, then working with shorter length notes, in all parts of the bow. It will take a couple of weeks to solidify your grip, and I think you are smart going with #11. I don't think you can hurt yourself with that. I wouldn't get into a lot of string crossing exercises (other than occasionally in warm-ups) because it just doesn't lead anywhere and will tire you out if you do more than ten minutes of it. String crossings are more about good planning than anything, and less about repetition. For instance, if you slur two notes in a string crossing, do you want them to be exactly even, or the first one stronger and then follow through, or do you want to accent the second note, and how about tempo? Lots of things one can do to make it more interest and take the focus off of whether there is enough wrist action. That will mostly take care of itself, unless your wrist is totally locked up. Most young students are indeed too locked up at the wrist and unable to flex properly, particularly, with the hand unable moving to the right. As in scrambling an egg or painting with a large brush, one must have some flexibility in both directions. I would also be sure to play some music that you enjoy, because that's what playing an instrument is all about, after all. I would suggest a Vivaldi sonata and maybe something contrasting like Koussevitsky's Chanson Triste or Bottesini's Elegy.

Let me know if I can be of further assistance.  Bravo, Dad!

Regards, Bob Oppelt


38.Hello Bob, I have a question...I don't expect to ever have to play the Doctor Atomic solo, but I'm curious why you wouldn't use the D, A (and E) harmonics around the neck instead of the hassle of the thumb up higher? I'm sure you have a good reason....
 
All the best…

Interesting comment about the fingering...well, I think there were a few reasons I didn't put much effort into playing the harmonics (and closed F) in the lower positions. (I should note first that Adams didn't write those notes as harmonics, but one can't avoid some A and D harmonics.) For one thing, I think the string crossings and fingerings are a bit less intuitive in the lower positions, which might take more time to learn and be less comfortable under pressure. The F certainly sounds clearer there. But for me it's more natural to have the fingering (and string crossing) follow the direction of the written line where possible. You'd also have the problem of jumping up to finger a succession of notes from 633 on, coming back down, then jumping back up, etc., which is not without risk and considerable effort. (Every time there's a B, B flat, and after the C sharp in 640 it could get dicey.) I found that if I treated most of it as one extended position higher up it flowed pretty well in both the left and right hands. (The left hand creeps around, reaching rather than shifting, as the notes are all accessible.) True, the thumb has to dance a bit, but it's not more than a half-step in any direction.
 
I didn't practice it any other way, but there are doubtless some viable alternatives...

Thanks, Robert Oppelt


39. Hello Robert,
Last Friday, I got in about an hour and a half practice in C minor and began preparing for Beethoven's 5th which we will be performing this fall. I am remodeling a bedroom for some friends/clients nearby and had about an hour before heading to another meeting when what should come on KUSC - Charlie Barnett's piece for bass, harp, and string quartet. What a pleasant 16 minutes, and suprising too. Usually, I cringe at what bassists do, too busy, too this or that, but your tone is wonderful and reminded me why I love the bass. I may have to listen to the Dragonetti a few more times before I "get it". I lean towards Bach, but you may win me over. I do enjoy what I have read of your blog and was glad to find that my teacher has got me on the good way with the German bow. I have been really enjoying my bass since I recently acquired a Coda bow (carbon fiber, The Metropolitan) from Gollihur Bass for $800. it plays close to a $4000 custom bow a friend had showed me recently. And yes, a bow really makes a difference - many times I wanted to quit not realizing my bow wasn't up to snuff. I am wondering what strings you use? I recently went to Flexicor's, although I had a Flat-chrome steel low B string in the set and I love it's tone, so maybe in the winter when I change I'll use a whole set. I saw Nico Abondolo at a master class at Music Academy of the West last summer and he had a full set of Flat-chromesteels. Anyway, I hope the Fall finds you well and I look forward to hearing you more and learning more as I go along…
 
Thanks for writing.... I'm so glad you enjoyed the bass CD, and how wonderful that the local station was playing it. I like the variety on there which kind of gives it a "something for everyone" aspect. The Dragonetti waltzes are good music, for sure, but don't trade in your love of Bach. He's the undisputed master! The waltzes are nice to play because they are not too difficult and the bassist has to take full responsibility for the musicianship, i.e., rubato, change of moods, etc. And spiccato technique is given a good workout. I like to give them to my students, and no matter the level, there is always something to be learned. Glad you found a bow that you like. No reason to spend big bucks if you don't have to... I generally use Flexocors, with the burgundy wrap. I think chromesteel and originals are also good for classical players. (Small differences between them.) If I like something, I usually stick with it. Some guys knock themselves out changing to different types of strings every couple of months, but I think mostly it's a player problem then, not the strings. Any bass will sound good with these strings, and any good player. Let me know if you have any more questions. Love hearing from people. I'll try to get something new on my website before too long. I'm pretty swamped right now, getting my chops back after a break, getting ready for U of MD, and resuming work with the NSO. Have fun with Beet. 5, a great piece!... Take care, Bob Oppelt